Lift problem.

[JeremyJones]

some of you saw my problem on the 2/13 freeway ridge run. the front end of my tj likes to get in the air. i ave a rubicon 5.5 long arms suspension with 7.5 inch springs on 37's. i think my problem is due to the 7.5 springs and 37.s my tj sits really high. the reviews on the 5.5 say it is really hard to get the front tires off the ground. Does anyone know if swapping out shorter more flexible springs help? then i am pretty sure if i do that the my tires will rub. I know you can move the rear axle back but that is out of my price range for now. anyone have advice please?

[JeremyJones]

i also have rancho 9 point adjustable shocks i dont know if that makes a difference

[casaintsfan]

I know exactly what the problem is, it has nothing to do with the springs. Alot of people run the exact lift & tire combo that you are running and don't have a problem at all.
The problem is the front of your jeep is too light, especially at night! Take those HID's and give them to me if the problem continues then try the shorter springs.
Have you done a search for people running 37's on the 5.5" springs? I'm sure some are and maybe you could find out what they ate doing to solve rubbing issues. Have you checked out rubicon owners of california? Check their forum out to see if anyone can help out, it's mostly TJ & LJ rubicon's on there. But try the HID's first

[Desert Dog]

IMO, the problem is your Currie Anti-rock sway bay. My TJ flexes like sh!t since I instaled mine. Im considering making disconnects for it, or selling it and going back to stock!

Try moving your Antirock link out to the farthest hole (when I saw your Jeep, I think you had the links in the 4th hole). If that does not help, I bet if you unbolt your links at the axle and zip-tie them up you will have good flex. But that kind of defeats the purpose of a $300 sway bar that your not supossed to need to disconnect.

Ill take a look at it on Sunday.

[Mickey]

What's up Jeremy, I know exactly how u feel, or used to anyway... lol your correct on ur problem. The 5" springs are the way to go..! They will lower ur center of gravity and give ur jeep a better distrubution of its weight. However, you are correct about the rubbing. It shouldn't be as bad as u think thou. That and u can always by some tube fenders cheaper than stretch, trust me I know :( lol anything else will just be a waste of money. Oh there is also one more way u can fix that, its a cheap way too...! Lol $69.95 harbor frieght winch, can u say suck down winch? lol well if u have any other questions feel free to hit me up. I work night so am up all night... :( lol
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[igofshn]

[quote="desert dog"]IMO, the problem is your Currie Anti-rock sway bay. My TJ flexes like sh!t since I instaled mine. Im considering making disconnects for it, or selling it and going back to stock!

Try moving your Antirock link out to the farthest hole (when I saw your Jeep, I think you had the links in the 4th hole). If that does not help, I bet if you unbolt your links at the axle and zip-tie them up you will have good flex. But that kind of defeats the purpose of a $300 sway bar that your not supossed to need to disconnect.

Ill take a look at it on Sunday.[/quote]
Anti rocks flex just fine. When you disco the sway bar, you have a lot of wasted flex that does nothing. The anti rock lets you utilize the flex that youneed. Just because your tie gets in the air doesn't mean it is a bad thing. When discoed, your tire might still be on the ground but there is no force on that tire. It just sits there accomplishing nothing. It isn't keeping you from rolling over or giving stability. The anti rock creates the necessary force to give you a more stable off road ride and more control on the rocks. i used one on my TJ and it was awesome.

[Desert Dog]

[quote="igofshn"][quote="desert dog"]IMO, the problem is your Currie Anti-rock sway bay. My TJ flexes like sh!t since I installed mine. I'm considering making disconnects for it, or selling it and going back to stock!

Try moving your Antirock link out to the farthest hole (when I saw your Jeep, I think you had the links in the 4th hole). If that does not help, I bet if you unbolt your links at the axle and zip-tie them up you will have good flex. But that kind of defeats the purpose of a $300 sway bar that your not supposed to need to disconnect.

Ill take a look at it on Sunday.[/quote]
Anti rocks flex just fine. When you disco the sway bar, you have a lot of wasted flex that does nothing. The anti rock lets you utilize the flex that youneed. Just because your tie gets in the air doesn't mean it is a bad thing. When discoed, your tire might still be on the ground but there is no force on that tire. It just sits there accomplishing nothing. It isn't keeping you from rolling over or giving stability. The anti rock creates the necessary force to give you a more stable off road ride and more control on the rocks. i used one on my TJ and it was awesome.[/quote]

That tire on the ground provides a little bit of traction that you would otherwise not have, no? Are you trying to say that a tire in the air is just as or more stable than a tire on the ground? Sorry, not buying that one. All I can tell you is that running the same rocks, taking the same line, My TJ performs much better with the Anti-rock disconnected. Many, many others have gone through the same thing and I should have taken their advise. I can see where some folks have super flexy suspensions, and are willing to loose a couple of inches of flex for more stability in off camber situations, but Jeremy's TJ is obviously not super flexy. Since so many folks have experienced this, I think it would at least be to Jeremy's benefit to disconnect it and see. If it doesn't solve his problem, check it off the list and move on to something else. Better to try a free and easy solution than to dive in and start tearing out a perfectly good suspension.

Just find a big rock near your house and drive on it connected and discoed. This will also give you the opportunity to inspect your set-up and maybe identify where your problems are. I just did that with my JK and found out that Larry was right and my bump-stop extensions were too long. I have great flex now!

I saw that vid and can clearly see that Jeremy is getting very little flex. Ive seen IFS rigs go through that same line easier than that. I hope you get it figured out and it doesnt cost a lot. And did I mention, THAT IS ONE BAD ASS JEEP!

[igofshn]

I am not saying that a tire in the air is just as stable as a tire on the ground, you get to a point when flex is wasted. You can score a 1300 on an rti ramp but that means nothing. Your tire can get to a point that it is touching the ground but not providing any assistance. When I installed my antirock on my TJ, it was amazing at the control I had. One of the best mods I did. Disconnecting the antirock defeats the purpose of having it. Maybe move the link out to the end of the cross bar, but don't disconnect it.

I watched John Currie win the rock crawling championship with his Fire Ant using front and rear antirocks. It was designed to work with your suspension, not waste what you get.

[Dirty LJ]

My 2 cents. I think you should find a rock/stairway or something of the like and flex it out the way it is and look for things that might be keeping it from flexing. Then try as many free solutions as possible i.e change settings on your antirock and disconnecting it. I wouldn't think it would be your shocks, I have the same ones and love them, but check that they are the correct length. If they are too short you could be topping them out. look at brake lines or anything else under there that can be hanging you up. It is a bit of work but I believe it would be well worth it!

If all else fails post a time and we can all try to get together and figure it out.

[Mickey]

All this talk of anti rock, waste of time... that's not ur problem. Your springs are... ur springs are to tall, to stiff, and jeep is to light for off camber crawling. Lower ur springs to 5". That will lower weight distrubution and in turn give u a more stable crawler. But hey what do I know... lol

[JeremyJones]

So i found out what my problem is. It finally came to me. It is my currie anti rock. It is rubbing and tearing my fender which causes restricted motion when traveling upward. Also my Hanson bumper is too close and causing the currie antirock to bind when traveling downward (a range of motion of only 1/16th of an inch.) This definitely explains why i have flex problems. Sandbuggy is gonna help me cut my bumper so it can mover freely and i am going to shorten the bolts so it will have a farther range when traveling upward. Cost me 5 dollars for 3 inch threaded bolts. A cheap fix And no it wasnt the HIDs lol

[Professor JK]

[quote="JeremyJones"]some of you saw my problem on the 2/13 freeway ridge run. the front end of my tj likes to get in the air. i ave a rubicon 5.5 long arms suspension with 7.5 inch springs on 37's. i think my problem is due to the 7.5 springs and 37.s my tj sits really high. the reviews on the 5.5 say it is really hard to get the front tires off the ground. Does anyone know if swapping out shorter more flexible springs help? then i am pretty sure if i do that the my tires will rub. I know you can move the rear axle back but that is out of my price range for now. anyone have advice please?[/quote]
wife has 4 .5 rubicon on jk with 37 have a slight rub in front and long arms bottoming out on rear body mount bolt . but have 300 lbs in rear of jeep changing spring on rear as we speak to jk 4 door springs it gives you about a 1inch more on rear

[TheBigDogg]

We want before and after pics