37's without hydro?

[robnoxious1]

So im trying to decide between 37's or 35's on the JKUR. Problem is I wont be able to afford hydro steering for another year or so. Ive got the front beefed up (trussed, gusseted, ruff stuff tie rod, chromoly BJ's, chromoly axles). I guess my question is how bad is the steering going to suck with 37's and stock steering? Will it even be drivable on trails. I'm hoping it will work if Im really careful about choosing my lines.

Rob

[abendx]

You'll be fine... It isn't necessary at all... That being said, it does make things MUCH nicer.

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[robnoxious1]

[quote="abendx"]You'll be fine... It isn't necessary at all... That being said, it does make things MUCH nicer.

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Thanks man. Thats what I was hoping to hear.

[Lake_v2]

Youl strengthen your forearms for sure

[REDxj5150]

http://www.offroadsc.com/showthread.php ... visited%29

cheap ram route here.

[abendx]

Also one plan on JKO for 300 or so. Travis' is better (cheaper), but JK specific stuff can be had in the other thread.

[robnoxious1]

[quote="REDxj5150"]http://www.offroadsc.com/showthread.php?835-185-hydro-assist-thread-%28revisited%29

cheap ram route here.[/quote]

Wow thats inexpensive.

[robnoxious1]

[quote="abendx"]Also one plan on JKO for 300 or so. Travis' is better (cheaper), but JK specific stuff can be had in the other thread.[/quote]

Are you talking about the Redneck ram setup, the one Doc wrote up?

[REDxj5150]

I wouldn't do all those mods to the pump. What regulates pressure and volume through your ram is how much resistance the box is taking on. You could pick up a smaller diameter pulley for the pump to speed it up at idle. I just wouldn't go any further than that unless it's obvious that it needs more. Another important point to bring up is that the bigger the ram diameter the slower it will be because of the volume of fluid involved. Yet another goofy point to remember is to keep the fluid cool, so put a good cooler in the return line. All things to keep in mind when you're doing this. I know you're a resourceful fellow and you'll find a way to do this. I just had to put it out there that the big $1200+ kits are not the only show in town.

[robnoxious1]

[quote="REDxj5150"]I wouldn't do all those mods to the pump. What regulates pressure and volume through your ram is how much resistance the box is taking on. You could pick up a smaller diameter pulley for the pump to speed it up at idle. I just wouldn't go any further than that unless it's obvious that it needs more. Another important point to bring up is that the bigger the ram diameter the slower it will be because of the volume of fluid involved. Yet another goofy point to remember is to keep the fluid cool, so put a good cooler in the return line. All things to keep in mind when you're doing this. I know you're a resourceful fellow and you'll find a way to do this. I just had to put it out there that the big $1200+ kits are not the only show in town.[/quote]

Most things mechanical come pretty easy to me but Im a little intnimidated by hydraulic systems as I really have no idea how the work beyond there is pressurized fluid in there. Nice to know there are even more options though.

[abendx]

Nope. One that goody wrote up

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[robnoxious1]

[quote="abendx"]Nope. One that goody wrote up

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Cool thanks Ill search it.

[H. Badger]

Brad do you still have your hydro assist for sale? That could be an option as well rob.

[H. Badger]

[quote="robnoxious1"]So im trying to decide between 37's or 35's on the JKUR. Problem is I wont be able to afford hydro steering for another year or so. Ive got the front beefed up (trussed, gusseted, ruff stuff tie rod, chromoly BJ's, chromoly axles). I guess my question is how bad is the steering going to suck with 37's and stock steering? Will it even be drivable on trails. I'm hoping it will work if Im really careful about choosing my lines.

Rob[/quote]

Are you re gearing as well? That's going to be a lot of rubber, that's the reason I went with 35" till I get the money together for axles gears etc etc etc$$$$$$$$$$$$$ lol.

[Lake_v2]

Hydro assist for me was about 400bones getting some stuff at cost through work but paying retail for the psc ram.

[robnoxious1]

[quote="H. Badger"][quote="robnoxious1"]So im trying to decide between 37's or 35's on the JKUR. Problem is I wont be able to afford hydro steering for another year or so. Ive got the front beefed up (trussed, gusseted, ruff stuff tie rod, chromoly BJ's, chromoly axles). I guess my question is how bad is the steering going to suck with 37's and stock steering? Will it even be drivable on trails. I'm hoping it will work if Im really careful about choosing my lines.

Rob[/quote]

Are you re gearing as well? That's going to be a lot of rubber, that's the reason I went with 35" till I get the money together for axles gears etc etc etc$$$$$$$$$$$$$ lol.[/quote]

Regearing is going to be a higher priority than steering and thats not going to happen immediately. Its also one of the few mechanical things I dont know how to do so Im gonna have to take it to Richard so thats even more money with labor. Im hoping that since its not a daily driver it will be semi tolerable if I keep it out of overdrive. I dont want to buy 35's and then turn around and have to sell them and rebuy tires in the near future. So gears maybe this winter and steering next year.

[abendx]

[quote="H. Badger"]Brad do you still have your hydro assist for sale? That could be an option as well rob.[/quote]

Yes.

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[Desert Dog]

37s without hydro is livable on the street, But sucks in the big rocks. Also 37"+ tires without assist puts a lot of strain on the box, sector shaft, pitman arm, drag link, and frame rail. I have seen a lot of broken JK steering components with 37s and no assist. Of course, none of this matters if you are buying 37" KM2s, because they are really 35s

Be careful with the cheap kits and homemade jobs (especially in the JKO threads). What most of these folks don't tell you, is that they ended up spending the same amount of money that a PSC kit would have cost in the end and it took twice the effort to get things to work right . Most of them ended up running PSC pumps, reservoirs, and more before it was all said and done

But your build plan is sound; beef up those axles before doing anything else. Sounds like you have your priorities straight

[abendx]

Here's the [url=http://www.jkowners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80502]thread[/url] if you haven't found it.

I didn't read it, but like the way Goody thinks. He always asks a ton of questions and comes back with plenty of follow on info.

[robnoxious1]

[quote="Desert Dog"]37s without hydro is livable on the street, But sucks in the big rocks. Also 37"+ tires without assist puts a lot of strain on the box, sector shaft, pitman arm, drag link, and frame rail. I have seen a lot of broken JK steering components with 37s and no assist. Of course, none of this matters if you are buying 37" KM2s, because they are really 35s

Be careful with the cheap kits and homemade jobs (especially in the JKO threads). What most of these folks don't tell you, is that they ended up spending the same amount of money that a PSC kit would have cost in the end and it took twice the effort to get things to work right . Most of them ended up running PSC pumps, reservoirs, and more before it was all said and done

But your build plan is sound; beef up those axles before doing anything else. Sounds like you have your priorities straight [/quote]

Ive actually been looking for a sector shaft brace that will work but man the info is confusing. I dont think I need a flip as I have very little bump steer but the synergy setup makes you use their drag link which if Im not mistaken is for a flip setup. Then theres the EVO one also for a flip setup. The JKS setup looks like it will work but its like $300.00. I wish you could buy just the nut/bearing thing so that I could fab my own setup. The axles are about as built as a stock d44 is gonna get so I hope that works out ok.

[robnoxious1]

[quote="abendx"]Here's the [url=http://www.jkowners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80502]thread[/url] if you haven't found it.

I didn't read it, but like the way Goody thinks. He always asks a ton of questions and comes back with plenty of follow on info.[/quote]

Thanks man.

[Desert Dog]

[quote="robnoxious1"]Ive actually been looking for a sector shaft brace that will work but man the info is confusing. I dont think I need a flip as I have very little bump steer but the synergy setup makes you use their drag link which if Im not mistaken is for a flip setup. Then theres the EVO one also for a flip setup. The JKS setup looks like it will work but its like $300.00.[/quote]
With hydro assist, you don't need any of that shit, as it takes the stress off of all of it (factor that in as a cost savings to justify it). I am still running my FACTORY drag link with 42" tires and beat the snot of of it. And its still not bent after 5 years and countless long weekends in Johnson Valley. I have moved hundreds of huge boulders with my front tires in that time frame

[abendx]

[quote="Desert Dog"][quote="robnoxious1"]Ive actually been looking for a sector shaft brace that will work but man the info is confusing. I dont think I need a flip as I have very little bump steer but the synergy setup makes you use their drag link which if Im not mistaken is for a flip setup. Then theres the EVO one also for a flip setup. The JKS setup looks like it will work but its like $300.00.[/quote]
With hydro assist, you don't need any of that shit, as it takes the stress off of all of it (factor that in as a cost savings to justify it). I am still running my FACTORY drag link with 42" tires and beat the snot of of it. And its still not bent after 5 years and countless long weekends in Johnson Valley. I have moved hundreds of huge boulders with my front tires in that time frame [/quote]

How's that bump steer buddy?

[Desert Dog]

[quote="robnoxious1"][quote="abendx"]Here's the [url=http://www.jkowners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80502]thread[/url] if you haven't found it.

I didn't read it, but like the way Goody thinks. He always asks a ton of questions and comes back with plenty of follow on info.[/quote]

Thanks man.[/quote]
Take much of that thread with a grain of salt.

* You are not gonna get a PSC ram for $80 unless you happen to be at the right place at the right time.
* He recommends ATF fluid. DO NOT use that with a hydro ram.
* Dont buy your fittings / lines at Harbor Freight, Northern Tool, or Autozone like he did. Get TOP QUALITY for these parts. Cheap fittings break easy and often suck air no matter how hard you tighten them (I found this out with the buggy)
* He states that the stock pump is fine, but I totally disagree. Folks in the latter half of that thread had already burned out pumps and are experiencing steering lag. Its just not up to handling the heat and cant keep up with the increased pressure needed. Just about everyone who does this or gets the RNR system ends up forking over more money for an aftermarket pump and reservoir.

I do like his instructions on porting the factory box, which is exactly what PSC and RNR do when you send it to them. You can save a couple hundred dollars doing that yourself. But remember, the boxes on 2009+ JKs (the black ones) are total crap to begin with.

[Desert Dog]

[quote="abendx"]How's that bump steer buddy? [/quote]
Absolutely zero bumpsteer, perfect tracking, and smooth steering. I can't stand a rig with bumpsteer.

But, as my front tires are wearing they are going out of balance again. Getting a slight shimmy between 45-50 mph.